Water?

[Teknokid]

Have any of you guys got any recomendations for me to add to this?
Item Price (ex VAT Price (inc VAT) Link
Laing D5 £51.91 £60.99 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/12v-laing-d5-vario-water-pump-12-barb-694-p.asp
Laing D5 £51.91 £60.99 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/12v-laing-d5-vario-water-pump-12-barb-694-p.asp
Laing DDC £42.00 £49.35 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/12v-laing-ddc1-ultra-18w-696-p.asp
Ek surpeme £29.78 £34.99 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/ek-supreme-cpu-block-1113-p.asp
NB block £20.96 £24.63 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/ek-nbsb-s-max---acetal-1120-p.asp
SB block £19.99 £23.49 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/ek-nbsb-asus-3---acetal-1118-p.asp
Mosfets £19.99 £23.49 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/ek-mosfet-asus-3a-x38---acetal-1122-p.asp
Mosfets £19.99 £23.49 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/ek-mosfet-asus-3a-x38---acetal-1122-p.asp
Blastflow VGA block £89.35 £104.99 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/blastflow-siberian-modular-8800gtx-vga-block-1058-p.asp
Mips ram freezer 4 £79.99 £93.99 http://www.vadim.co.uk/MIPS+RAM+Freezer+4
Quad Rad £44.99 £52.86 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/extreme-quad-120mm-radiator-1068-p.asp
Quad Rad £44.99 £52.86 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/extreme-quad-120mm-radiator-1068-p.asp
Quad Rad £44.99 £52.86 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/extreme-quad-120mm-radiator-1068-p.asp
Ek res £27.75 £32.61 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/ek-multioption-res-400-533-p.asp
Ek res £27.75 £32.61 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/ek-multioption-res-400-533-p.asp
Ek res £27.75 £32.61 http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/ek-multioption-res-400-533-p.asp

Im buying it all once ive built my new case to house it all, what do you think of the blastflow gfx block? anyone used one?
Thanks

[Stocky]

Are you having three separate loops?! :waiting:

[Teknokid]

yup :D

[blindfitter]

Thats an awful lot of money on a water cooled system, may I ask what your expecting to achieve with this cooling setup. As you could get a single phase for the cpu and basic water cooled loop for the grahics card, which would give more scope if it is intended for benching etc.

[Teknokid]

also, what HDD blocks can you recomend?

[Teknokid]

i did look at phase, but the power draw is quite a lot, i want to get the max out of my system without adding unnescersary power draw.
i know its an awful lot, but it should run nice and cool :)

[K404]

If you're determined to throw your money away, il give you my paypal address.

recomendations:

Ditch the:
Mosfets £19.99 £23.49
Mosfets £19.99 £23.49
Blastflow VGA block £89.35 £104.99
Mips ram freezer 4 £79.99 £93.99
Ek res £27.75 £32.61
Ek res £27.75 £32.61
Ek res £27.75 £32.61

Instead of the blastflow, buy an EK full-cover block and put the rest towards something with a point.

Sorry- gotta be harsh- blowing almsot £50 on cooling MOSFETs is a con and of zero value for money. As for the res- £32 for a plastic tub with 2 barbs- make your own.

£100 on watercooled RAM- also a complete waste

[Stocky]

I don't think phase is that expensive, especially when you consider how much you'll be paying out for that watercooling equipment...

What HDD's are you thinking of running - it's usually better (IMO) to just ensure good airflow rather than dumping more unnecessary heat into the loop.

...plus phase is more fun! :p

[Teknokid]

i know i know, id love a phase unit, but i cant justify 215w extra draw for the extra performance, i want something FAST, but not the lecy bill :(
I will dump the ram block, i know thats pointless wasnt meant to still be in there, why not water the mosfets?
and i cant make my own res, besides they have a good purpose... (part of my case mod)

[maverik-sg1]

Go for one of these, dollar rate is good and the unit is not a bad one.

I admire anyoen that would like to cool a full system including the MOSFETS etc, its not my bag - but I kinda liked this as it still hase enough space to add a 2nd loop is required.

Mav

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?cPath=28_43&products_id=275

[blindfitter]

i did look at phase, but the power draw is quite a lot, i want to get the max out of my system without adding unnescersary power draw.
i know its an awful lot, but it should run nice and cool :)

Ok my friend, so you want it to run nice and cool, coolest it will run about 3 degrees above ambiant, if your in a nice warm room around 22C it wont perform a great deal better than air cooled with good flow, take it outside around 8C and shock yourself on the performance increase and it didnt cost a dime.

electric cost start adding up 3 pumps, 18 fans push/pull 120.3

I still am of the opinion that a rethink is in order, requirement to achieve goal

[Teknokid]

200w is a lot more than around 30w (cpu only). I really would love phase, but its the lecky bill...
as for maverik, thats a cool idea, but its going in a custom case that ive already ordered materials for...
Why would all that water gear be only slightly better than air? surely for higher heat loads its much better (im aiming for around 4ghz from my G0 q6600)
I have around 19 degree ambient.

[khanage]

dude dont mean to sound harsh/offensive but if your that worried about the electric why not stick to air?
like blindfitter said all them fans/pumps take power to run an the temps arent gonna be alot better than air with the window open.
i was a little concerned at first with the power drawn for the phase but i can honestly say i dont use alot more electric than when i was just water cooled.

[Barron_Greenback]

Its a nice setup mate... But, like said above, the cost vs performance will suck.. them D5's are like 35w each when running full chat..

Looking at the money you've already spent on your system + what your going to spend on the water setup, I take it you live with parents and don't pay the leccy bill?

If you do I suggest buying a ss phase and fitting the house out with energy saving light bulbs to off-set the cost! :biggrin:

[jabski]

can you tell us what your cooling. Is it your sig spec ??

[Teknokid]

Yup, full system in my sig.
Ill have to consult Little devil then ;)
Do phase units use less power when the cpu is idle ie they have less to cool?
I didnt realise how much power the D5's used....
Btw khanage, i love your pc, you may recognise me from OC3D and Bit-tech?

[blindfitter]

200w is a lot more than around 30w (cpu only). I really would love phase, but its the lecky bill...
as for maverik, thats a cool idea, but its going in a custom case that ive already ordered materials for...
Why would all that water gear be only slightly better than air? surely for higher heat loads its much better (im aiming for around 4ghz from my G0 q6600)
I have around 19 degree ambient.

I've said my bit, as you want to go down this route then you will do it and learn as those before you have done.
I have spent lots of money trying to extract the ultimate from water cooling, currently running on my water rig, thermochill pa 120.3 with 3 120x38 ystek 115cfm fans, d-tek fusion masterkleer tubing, T line ddc 18watt pump with alpa cool top, cools q6600 to run 4.1 Mhz bencable but not prime stable.

Res 2, chipset blocks 2. 120.3 thiner rad and numerous fans and fittings sitting in a box in the corner, that was my learning curve. I also have an LD single phase pulls about 300watts of electricity and now going to Dice.

when benching the water cooled quad and a 7950gx2 in 3dmark 2006 wattage can peak around 425 but mostly stays around 350watts, so that said when benching you will still be pulling a lot of power out the socket.

Go forward have fun, learn from your mistakes and then go forward again with the knowledge learned.

[Stocky]

Yup, full system in my sig.
Ill have to consult Little devil then ;)
Do phase units use less power when the cpu is idle ie they have less to cool?
I didnt realise how much power the D5's used....
Btw khanage, i love your pc, you may recognise me from OC3D and Bit-tech?

Pics of Khanage PC please :waiting:

I think that most electrical products under more load will consume more power and it's the same for a phase unit. You could easily find out with a power meter that you plug in-line to the mains socket. I'm sure some of the phase builders here will know how much the units draw under idle/ load...

[Teknokid]

little devils is just over 200w at 240w load...
I will have to find out how much my system pulls then see if its viable, but i think water cooling the whole system will work well, if i can get around 3.6-3.8 for everyday use it will be great.
Whats so bad about water cooling mosfets and stuff?

[K404]

Cooling MOSFETs isnt bad per se, just a waste of time. 'FET waterblocks are simple to say the least, which makes them overpriced. It wont boost your OC ceilings any noticeable amount, and depending on how you implement them, either adds a heat dump and flow restriction to an existing loop, or is a separate loop for zero gain.

[khanage]

stocky theres a couple of pics of me pc in the ss section under the help me thread:biggrin:

[Stocky]

stocky theres a couple of pics of me pc in the ss section under the help me thread:biggrin:

Ah that one is awesome! :cool:

Teknokid - keep us up to date with what you decide to go with :)

[Teknokid]

well i think i will go for water, i really cant justify phase, although im hoping to get a phase unit for benching and a test rig.
I think 3 loops for cpu/mobo/gfx cards will be good, gives me lots of room to expand the loops and keep things cool :)

[Stocky]

well i think i will go for water, i really cant justify phase, although im hoping to get a phase unit for benching and a test rig.
I think 3 loops for cpu/mobo/gfx cards will be good, gives me lots of room to expand the loops and keep things cool :)

You got to remember that the opinions of a lot of the folks here are bias toward more extreme cooling; dice and ln2 etc - so remember to go with what you're happy with! Like you've said above, it may work better for you to have a phase unit for just benching, like how I'll be running my next system :)

[Teknokid]

yup, also water does look very nice when its all set up with all the UV lighting :)
Ill have to get some benchies up when im done, but i need to build the case first :)